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  • #20640
    Joyful
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    Hi Bees!

    I was wondering if you write your ingredients using INCI when you are just gifting them. For example, for BTMS-50, would you write “Behentrimonium Methosulfate (and) Cetyl Alcohol (and) Butylene Glycol” or “Emusifying Wax” or “BTMS-50”? I’m wondering because since there are no rules if it’s not being sold, I’m not sure what I should do. Right now, for oils and stuff I just use the common name (ie. Argan oil instead of Argania Spinsosa oil), but I’m not sure for the emusifying waxes. I like to know what is in my products, so I want to put the ingredients and inci for those, but at the same time, some people freak out when they see the “scary” ingredients, even though they use them everyday. I sometimes gift to people I don’t know very well (aquaintances) if they mention liking certain lipstick colours or needing certain products. Therefore I don’t know how they would react, and I would hate for them not to use it simply because of they didn’t research. I’ve seen way too many lotions on the market with apparently only oil and water (I guess for some people they mix without help and never mold!) or some where it says “Plant derived emulsifier (or emolient or something else), instead of things like stearic acid and cetyl alcohol. I’ve also had people say “I could never put bug powder on my lips” while wearing carmine-containing lipstick regularly…

    #20650
    BelindaSK
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    When I gift, I just put the name of the product, like BTMS-50, and put “emulsifier” in parentheses next to it. I don’t use the INCI names because I don’t have to! Haha! Most people use my gifts and, if they don’t, their loss! I’m sure that happens with things you buy people too, so I don’t really worry too much about it. If they’re going to get all weird about it, like my sister in law and her daughters did when I took the time to make them all some nice things, then I don’t bother to make them anything more in the future. I think we all kind of feel the same way. We love sharing our creations because they’re awesome! Some people appreciate that and others just don’t get it. Unfortunately, there’s nothing much we can do about it. Barb (Penny) and I were having this very conversation tonight about people that think they know what they want, but really have no clue! Too bad we can’t share the knowledge in our heads without actually having to spent hours of our time explaining it to people, some of which they will never understand anyway. Does that make sense?!?

    #20652
    Joyful
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    Yes, thank you! Haha, when I made a lipstick for someone, I wasn’t sure if they were ok using carmine, but I wanted to use it for the right colour. I couldn’t really ask “are you ok with bug lipstick” without getting a definite no, so I looked at the ingredients of the lipstick I was duping, and found carmine. Otherwise I would have used something else. Sometimes we need to be a bit sneaky 😂

    #20655
    BelindaSK
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    Yes, I can just see their face now….here! I made you some bug lipstick! Enjoy! I’m sure they’d take it home and chuck it right into the garbage! Haha! No sense of adventure, some people!

    #20660
    Joyful
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    LOL, exactly! I offer them a mostly organic lipstick, and they would throw it out for a non-organic one that still contains carmine! It took me a while to be comfortable with carmine, but the colour convinced me. I mean, apparently we swallow bugs in our sleep. I might as well take advantage of their colours. One of my friends asked me what I used to colour my products and I said mostly minerals, and they asked “you get those vivid colours only from minerals?” So I told them that it’s minerals and naturally derived ingredients, which is true 😂. I told a few people about carmine and they always look at me like I’m crazy, haha.

    #20662
    BelindaSK
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    From what I’ve read, a lot of foods that have a red coloring are colored with carmine too. So, you can freak people out with that lovely fact too while you’re explaining about ground up bugs in lipstick! Double whammy!! Hahaha!

    #20691
    Joyful
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    Perfect! Haha

    #20720
    Penny
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    I make and sell soaps and am slowly expanding my hobby to include body scrubs (go coffee peppermint chocolate go! Initial reviews are they smell like a peppermint patty) and body butters.

    Soaps I sell, everything else is gifts at the moment till I get the recipe down in largerish amounts.

    I live in China and there are no rules or laws put in place yet for stuff like this. However; the everyday joe is becoming more aware of ingredients. But, even the FDA doesn’t require ingredients to be put on soaps. So it’s a toss up for soaps. But like you Joyful and carmine, I’m worried about the tallow and lard in soaps influencing people. So for my next batch of labels, I have to decide if I should keep the ingredients off, or put them on. Or put on something like, “made with wholesome fats, oils and butters to beautify your skin” or something of the like.

    I have to make this decision soon and I don’t want to make it!

    For gifts of anything I make or experiment with or tester items, I’m pretty lucky. Everyone knows that I work with lard, cow fat, bug parts, that black stuff, that pink salt, that stuff that smells like chocolate but don’t eat it, the greasy goo and such- they cannot remembr the names of everything. But for the most part no. I don’t bother telling them anymore. No one I gift to has allergies or intolerances to anything (I so love China!!!) so I’m not worried.

    #20728
    Joyful
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    Penny, I would list the ingredients, but put “saponified fats and oils” if you use fancy oils, you can put “including blah blah”

    #20729
    Joyful
    Participant

    Yay! The person I gifted the products to just told me they are the best she’s tried and she had been searching for years! She wants to purchase some.

    #20736
    Penny
    Participant

    BOOYAH!

    #20737
    Joyful
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    By the way, when do you consider a recipe your own? As in, how many changes does it take for you to say “my recipe” instead of “____’s recipe that I modified”? Since we all started from someone’s recipe at some point, I’ve been wondering about this for a while.

    #20745
    BelindaSK
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    Joyful, I’ve been wondering the same thing!! I usually modify most recipes because there always seems to be something I’m allergic to or an ingredient I don’t like. I wouldn’t t call those my own. There’s a few recipes I’ve made that started as one thing (a dupe) and became something else completely, not looking remotely like the original. That, I think I could say, was my own.

    #20759
    Joyful
    Participant

    Same, I usually say “modified version of ___” if it’s just an ingredient changed, but what about if I add one (that’s not just smell or colour)? I made a recipe combining two of Marie’s and changing a few ingredients, so I can say it’s mine – right? With the lipsticks, I’ve changed the oil and subbed mag.stearate with mag. Myristate. I feel weird saying it’s my recipe, but I asked others and they say since I changed something, it’s mine. Also, sometimes I have a very similar recipe, but someone will have added something extra. If I add that to mine, is it still mine? It should be since I made the base of it on my own, but I feel this is a grey area.

    #20760
    Joyful
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    Also, what do you guys think of giving recipes on this forum? On one hand – I love sharing my ideas, especially if it can be useful to someone, but on the other, I’m thinking “what if I want to sell these and someone copies me?”. So many bloggers have been plagiarized lately.

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