February 5, 2017 at 8:10 pm #19813
I saw this in a soaping group I belong to on Facebook:
I thought it was a very interesting and simple read, especially since a lot of people nip out to a store and buy oils. And, the picture of the various shades of olive oil soap I thought would be helpful. I know when I first started soaping, everyone talked about Castile soap being green and mine always came out ivory and I thought I was doing something wrong. So maybe this will help someone starting out! Or help someone who wants a more white bar of soap.
The olive oils I buy are an off green colour to an amber yellow colour. I find they both don’t really provide much colour to my soaps. I wish I could get green soap! That’d be awesome!
And, to top it all off, a lot of olive oils in the stores are fake.
A little more intensive:February 5, 2017 at 9:04 pm #19821
I remember reading this a while back. One of the things that sticks out in my mind is the statement “only Brambleberry’s olive oils stood the test of time”. This statement begs the question is it truth or is it advertising? I can’t verify that without doing similar tests but to me that sounds more like marketing tactics. I have bought olive oil from both the local grocery store chain and from online soaping sources and honestly, I can’t tell the difference in a soap. I’ve never had a soap develop DOS and I still have some on my drying racks that are two plus years old. Most of my soaps have some olive oil in them because I like the feel that olive oil gives soap. Am I saying that all olive oils are equal? No. Undiluted? No. But I don’t notice any difference in my soap recipes from my generic Kroger brand olive oil vs Essential Depot’s olive oil vs Brambleberry’s olive oil. None at all. Any none have had any problems with rancidity.
I’ve also been poking around a little on the subject of cosmetic grade vs food grade oils and from what I’ve read so far, food grade oils are the superior oils. Cosmetic grade can have up to 30% impurities and food grade is only allowed 1%. I have not verified that, however, so don’t quote me on it. So, buying oils from your grocery store, barring the argument of “are they diluting the more expensive type oils with cheaper oils”, may actually be better than buying from a soaping/cosmetic source. And who’s to say that the same practice doesn’t occur in cosmetic oils as well. Have their been any tests done on cosmetic oils to see if they are diluted?
Ahhhh! Too many questions!! But I may have to check into that and see if there’s any research out there….February 6, 2017 at 12:04 am #19824
I think we might have read the same article regarding cosmetic and food grade stuff! Those numbers seem really and weirdly familiar.
When I first began making soaps, I used store bought imported olive oil because the olive trend just began taking off in China. There were olive scented oils that I later found out where coloured green and the translation was 100% pure virgin olive oil and canola oil and while the olive oil was imported, it was mixed with canola oil in China. And so decided to look at other imported oils. And these gave me a brilliant yellow like the M&M peanut bags. And they developed crazy aomounts of DOS.
I had better luck with some other brands, and they all resulted in various shades of ivory and white and some gave me DOS’s and some didn’t. A few years later I found an article talking about how olive oils aren’t all equal as they are a diluted form of what you thought you were buying. And at this point, olive oils were being sold everywhere. I gave up on finding a good quality olive oil to eat, and I also discovered Taobao at this time too so more options were opening up.
Now, I buy my pommace olive oil from a warehouse usually 5-10kg at a time. Most of my soaping oils are cosmetic grade oils as they are wash off products. Anything leave on, I use food grade. It’s just way too expensive to use food grade for soaping when one batch of soap is about 3kg and you make probably forty to fifty batches each year. Since buying oils from the warehouse, I haven’t had any DOS since I started buying soap specific olive oil.February 6, 2017 at 6:41 am #19831
It sounds like you and I may have a similar system going here. I use food grade or cosmetic grade oils that I can’t get in a grocery store for lotions. I usually don’t use olive oil in my lotions. The only thing I use olive oil for is soaping, and that is generic store brand olive oil. And yes, I’m aware it’s probably diluted, but I don’t sell my soaps so it doesn’t really matter to me. If I were selling, I would be more likely to buy from a soaping store. But they’re just for me and my family (and to give as gifts) so I use what I can get easily. When I made my one and only batch of Castile soap, I used an olive oil pomace from Essential Depot. The soap is two or three years old (I don’t like it) and it’s just fine. No DOS. But I have other soaps that are just as old or older that I made with store bought olive oil and they are also fine. I like to put around 20% OO in my soaps because I can feel the difference in them vs soaps I haven’t put any in, so that’s sort of a standard in my soap recipes.
I do buy a brand of olive oil with a reputation for being pure undiluted olive oil for cooking/eating. I can definitely taste the difference from the brand I was buying, so the one I was buying before must have been diluted.
China does like to do things like that, from what I’ve heard. My husband was told by a friend of his that works in shipping/logistics that China buys wheat from Canada, takes it into international waters, repackages it as organic wheat, then sells it for a nice, steep profit to California. I got a good laugh from that. Oh yeah! You EAT that ORGANIC wheat bread……that’s totally not organic! I am surrounded by people who are organic snobs. I just smile and nod my head at some of the stuff they preach to me about organic non-GMO food. Thank goodness that market is shrinking! I wonder if people would be so hip to eat organic if they knew those farm sites turned into EPA superfund sites when whoever owns them decides they no longer want to farm organic?February 6, 2017 at 6:47 pm #19847
Oh that whole organic and green and such does my head in.
China certainly does have a reputation for that sort of thing. But so does the west. I remember I went to buy some 1200TC bedding made with 100% Egyptian Cotton while I still lived in Canada. Was all set to buy the set, when I was told they aren’t lying on the package, there might only be a thread or two of Egyptian Cotton in the whole set, and that is 100% Egyptian Cotton. Turns out she was right. They imply the whole thing is made with 100% of something, but it’s only the amount they include is the thing you were after. Dear lord! Towels! Did my head in.
And this even happens on some product labels. There was a woman selling her soaps at a market last year calling one of them, “Honey and Oats”. Her ingredients listed contained no honey and no oats. When I asked about it, she just said it was the fragrance oil she used and was surprised I asked. Rumor has it, there are some new rules for soapers in USA because of these sorts of things.February 6, 2017 at 9:49 pm #19865
I remember you or somebody mentioning that about the Egyptian cotton sheets! I’ve wanted a set for so long and now I’m like meh! I guess we really need to look at everything we buy and read what’s actually in the ingredient list. Ive been doing that with cosmetic and personal care stuff, just because I want to learn about the ingredients used and try to make something similar, but I guess I need to look closer at other things too and see what it’s actually made of. Everybody’s trying to make a buck, and if consumers don’t know the difference, then manufacturers will keep on doing this. I know Whole Foods has been popped with some lawsuits in recent years due to false advertising. I’m sure there are lots more out there!February 7, 2017 at 12:17 am #19868
Yup! I will forever be telling that story about the sheets. It probably was me. It’s on repeat. We just got back from Wanda where I was sighing in the chip section whistfully thinking about All Dressed (amazing!!!) and Salt n’ Vinegar chips and how much I wish I could have them.
And they had:
The sales clerk tried telling us that they are good for us because they are made with actual lime and cucumbers. Belinda you’re right, if consumers aren’t bothered to pay attention to what they are consuming and buying… well, I don’t blame the stores or the manufacturers, I blame the people who don’t bother to look. Most people here refuse to believe that instant noodles or instant rice (its wicked cool! You pull a string and it heats up wicked hot and it cooks your rice in five minutes. Hot rice and hot veggies and meat voila! It’s awesome! Tastes like crap though but awesome to watch!) is actually not all that good for you. But hey. The government allows it on the store shelves, it has to be ok!February 7, 2017 at 8:40 am #19881
You’re right. We as consumers have gotten pretty complacent. People here complain about the FDA not being more strict. Well, it’s not their job to make sure the manufacturers put out a safe and effective product, it’s the manufacturers themselves. They are the ones who are supposed to do the research and make sure whatever they’re putting out there to sell is what it says it is and is safe for consumers. The FDA is there to take action if a product actually has negative effects, is misleading, etc…Kind of like the police. You can’t stop people from committing a crime, but the police are there to go after criminals when they do. A policeman’s job is not to stand over every person and make them do the right thing beforehand. That’s why you have morals and ethics. Well, you know some people don’t have either, and they take advantage of the system. Yes, these are Egyptian cotton sheets! One thread but who’s counting?!?! There’s always going to be those people that play fast and loose with the rules, or actually not care at all about the rules. Or being a decent, moral human being who does the right thing. This world really makes me sad sometimes😢
I seriously have to find a link for this instant rice you talk about! That does sound cool! And, it’s junk food so of course it’s bad for you! Those chips look awesome though! I LOVE potato chips. They are truly a weakness for me. I can say no to sweets, but if there are potato chips of any kind in my house, I can sit and eat the whole bag! Which is really not good for me on any level! Haha! But salt and vinegar chips YUM!! Haven’t seen cucumber chips but those actually sound kind of yum too. Lime, yum! And I’m suuuuuure they are very healthy for you! HahahahaFebruary 7, 2017 at 8:54 am #19886
Ha! Just found a YouTube video and saw the instant rice meal you were talking about. That was pretty cool! I wonder what’s in that packet that makes it heat up? I did like how the packaging contained everything you’d need, including the water or whatever that liquid was and a spork.February 7, 2017 at 4:47 pm #19888
I know! I just saw your comment you wanted to see, I was going to go buy a packet and do it. It’s freaking awesome! Like a jet taking off.
I was given as a free gift a bunch of eye masks, and fell in love with these ones that heat up. So proceeded to buy a number of boxes and shared them with everyone. I think Marie got a couple too. It was around that time. Anyways, you open the package, pull out the mask, and it begins to heat up. Put it over your eyes, and it heats up to a very very comfortable temperature for about thirty to forty minutes. It was a godsend on the plane I tell you! And popular for spa day at my sisters house.
I’d give away my favourite hot sauce to know that chemistry too! I mean, those hot packs for your kittens or gloves, you have to break the pack. The hand warmers, you have to break a pill inside the gel. For the rice, you have to drop a dry packet into the liquid for a reaction. But these eye masks, contact with air. And it’s hot. It’s so neat! And so so so so so relaxing. I’ve also got cold ones for the summer!February 7, 2017 at 4:50 pm #19889
Oh, and for the chips? Yuckies. Cool cucumber is not a bad tasting chip, but, the aftertaste is enough for this chip loving woman to steal far and clear of them. The lime is gross, the blueberry flavoured chips are overly candy sweet on chips. They’ve even got a fish flavours. And their Mexican flavour? You assume it is going to be a wee bit spicy… it’s super sweet. Chinese people love their sweet stuff!
Best chips ever? Hot and numb spicy hot pot by Lays. Oh they are lovely! But not very popular and very few shops carry them.February 7, 2017 at 5:23 pm #19892
Oh, I want a self heating eye mask now! That sounds soooo wonderful!! Instant Relaxation!
I can see that about the cucumber chips. I hate when food has a yucky after taste! You’re like, hmmm ok so fa…..NOOOOOOO *spits out food* WHY WHY would you do that to me?!?! *wipes tongue with napkin* Gross! I ate something recently, I can’t remember what it was, but I was literally wiping my tongue off, trying to get rid of the taste. I remember it was VILE!! Can’t remember what it was, though.
Blueberry potato chips?!? No thanks! Fish flavored, also no. Seriously, some flavors just don’t belong on a chip! We have a Lay’s chip that is flavored biscuits and gravy. That just sounds wrong to me!!February 7, 2017 at 6:15 pm #19901
Agreed! That is so wrong a flavour! If you ever make it to Canada, you have to try, “All Dressed”. So different and I hate to say it, much better than the American ones!
What blows my mind in, China loves its salt. China loves its vinegar. So why the heck can’t it put salt and vinegar on a ruddy potato chip is beyond me!
If you’ve got a Korean or Chinese or Asian beauty market somewhere, they should have those masks. And are worth picking up! The fragrance free are my favourites, but lavender and the rose ones comes next.February 7, 2017 at 9:30 pm #19912
I looked up All Dressed and they were in America! And I missed them!! There was a limited run of them in November and December. Nooooooo! I’ll have to be on the lookout for them or try to find some when I’m much further north.
Salt and vinegar chips are THE BOMB! Seriously, one of the best chip flavors ever! How could they not be in China?? Do they have a suggestion box?? Haha
Hey, if there’s no local Asian market here, there’s always Amazon! I think there may be though. We have a large melting pot of cultures here because we are Fed Ex Worldwide headquarters. I’ll have to check that out.February 8, 2017 at 3:20 am #19916
Hello! Did a quick search, and these ones I’m familiar with, these are Korean.
They are great! IF you travel, or suffer from insomnia or just want to really make sure your eye serum gets soaked in! Enjoy!
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