Green beauty products without preservatives?!

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  • #22939
    michgold_
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    Hi guys, I’m wondering your thoughts. The more I learn about cosmetic formulation and preservatives, the more shocked I am at many products I see in the green beauty space. Many of these products have barely any preservatives, or are using for example grapefruit seed extract and nothing else. On Instagram I recently saw a water-based product and when I asked the owner what the preservative was, she said vitamin E! My question is, how are these products not going completely rancid in a short amount of time? Like how are these companies successful? Is it really true that grapefruit seed extract isn’t effective? Because a lot of these companies are using that, and they seem to have success and not run into problems. It’s weird!

    #22943
    Sophie
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    We’re talking about actual products that are sold right? Off the top of my head, they could be using preservatives that can be disguised under “fragrance”. The sneaky ones could even be using preservatives and not listing them – eek!! Other than that, either they’re not a “real” business – meaning no lab, no tests, no certification, no person responsible under the law, no receipts when buying whatsoever!! – or there hasn’t been anyone to sue them yet for a product gone bad and caused a health issue. I’d stay away from anyone claiming to make and sell cosmetics that don’t disclose all necessary info on their products or site/eshop. Especially when shopping online i’d ask if they have a lab, if they follow GMP, if their products are tested and who does that for them. But generally, if they don’t go at lengths to put that info in their website by themselves, then don’t bother.

    #22945
    BelindaSK
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    I agree with everything Sophie said. They’re either lying about their ingredients or they are unsafe products with yuckies in them due to no proper preservation system. Neither option is acceptable in my book. I agree, steering clear of these companies is your safest bet.

    And no, vitamin e and grapefruit seed extract are not preservatives. I can’t believe this myth still continues to exist online!

    #22953
    michgold_
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    I know, it’s very weird! I think often these indie companies are started by women who don’t have any training and just dive in without really understanding the science. I’ve been a huge green beauty advocate for years and now I’m looking at everything differently. Some of these companies are being irresponsible.

    #22960
    Penny
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    I’m all about natural plus. I’m really tempted to change the name of my business to something like, “almost natural”, “barely natural”, “naturally safe”, “natural plus” or something along those lines.

    NAtural and green are all fine and dandy I like it and I try to be all natural and green, but I will not sacrifice safety. And, I will choose a synthetic if it does a better job.

    Marie has pointed it out a few times that rancidity and gone bad are two different things.

    Vitamin E and grapefruit seed extract won’t work as a preservative in any which way as they do nothing to prevent bacteria/fungus/yeast from going at it and replicating. Think of it this way, the preservative are The Enterprise a la Jean Luc Picard. So the Enterprise travels around your water based product killing all The Borg (the nasties or the beasties) if they invade. The Borg try to take over your water based product because Resistance is Futile. Or you can use The Doctor and the Dalecks and the fungi spores and bacterial attempt to take over for after all, exterminate (wouldn’t it be cool if Dalecks actually said, “contaiminate!”) is their main goal. They come close a time or two, but The Doctor saves the day!

    If The Borg or The Dalecks take over your product due to the Enterprise and The Doctor not showing up to the party or being ineffectual, it is because your product has gone off, gone bad, developed a case of the cooties, grown a fur coat and really wants to share with your skin.

    Antioxidants like vitamin e and grapefruit seed extract can help extend the life of your base ingredients only if they are oils (this is a broad statement). Rancidity occurs when your oil+wax+butter ingredient is damaged by light, heat, beasties. You can prevent rancidity by adding Vitamin E or rosmary seed extract into your base oil ingredients. But they won’t extend them forever. When I make anything just oils, waxes and butters no water, I do add in some vitamin e to help extend the life of that product. The kids find lippys hiding behind the couch and they have vitamin e in them to try to extend their lives.

    Ok, Susan says stuff about this topic much better than I. I haven’t even had coffee. So I hope to goodness I’ve actually explained something and not just made sense in my head and jibberish on paper. I mean the screen.

    #22964
    Penny
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    Now for the opinion answer.

    Sophie is 100% right when she says that probably all these products haven’t been tested.

    I know the EU has a lot of people selling their product illegally with no certificates of any which kind. And I know in the States, a lot of the registering is voluntary and most don’t do it in the States or Canada.

    After selling in China for the time period that I have, I have come to one simple conclusion. I feel that the governing bodies really need to step up and crack down on people selling their skincare and cosmetics with no certifications on products. And I say this because there is so much misinformation out there and it is quickly crashing into the land of unsafe which is causing issues for the everyday person.

    #22977
    BelindaSK
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    Star Trek?!?! Um, I can’t even come up with a snarky remark for that…😂😂😂

    But yes, there is SO much bad information out there that people are believing, and worse, spreading it further without any scientific backing, proof, evidence, or what have you. I will take the bloggers like Marie and Susan who give me scientific facts over these God-awful voodoo gurus, baby mamas, granola greenies, anti-whatever, or Dr. whoever’s spreading their unicorn-poop-is-the-cure-all-be-all, let’s-make-up-some-stuff-and-swear-it-works, anti science, pie in the sky, fantastical claims any day. It is so unsafe and sometimes downright dangerous what people are blogging or selling out there.

    #23052
    michgold_
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    Sorry for the delay in responding guys – Yes Penny I agree, I have a feeling most of these companies are not doing lab testing. I’ve been looking for larger companies that have mostly natural products but are probably better equipped for safety, however most of these larger green beauty companies are freaking expensive, especially from Canada! And I 100% agree, mostly natural is the best but in some cases you do need to sacrifice to make sure the product is safe – what’s worse, 1% of an unnatural chemical or however much percentage of mold and bacteria!!

    Yes Belinda I’m with you, this is what I’m seeing that is bugging me so much. These green beauty companies are selling these ‘serums’ with all these claims, charging 80$ for 2ml, however I look at the ingredients and it’s largely just affordable kitchen oils with a few drops of lavender essential oil lol. Or one company is selling just mica powder and silica, a tiny amount for like 40$ and using marketing etc to create this buzz around it. Now that I understand ingredients better, I can see through the hype.

    #23104
    BelindaSK
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    High five michgold! It’s so nice being able to decipher (or mostly decipher) a product label and see past the hype. Or know that that argan oil serum that so and so is selling is mostly safflower oil with a drop or two of argan. I do lots of eye rolling when I read labels these days! Haha

    #23110
    michgold_
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    Lol Belinda exactly, now that I’ve actually purchased these ingredients myself and see how affordable and accessible they are, I’m like puh-leeze.

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